Post Show – History of Live Streaming
In the post show, we answer all the burning questions for live video production in our chatroom. Among the questions we talk about ways of distributing live video content, Facebook’s new live streaming API, Mobile live streaming, Streaming to multiple platforms and the NewTek NDI. This video is all about audience engagement as our panelists Luria Petrucci from Live Streaming Pros, Marty McPadden of PodJamTV, Corey Behnke from LiveX and Michael Dawson from EventStream Canada do their best to provide solutions and input on the industry top live video questions.
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Paul Richards – I want to make sure you know …that’s an important piece of this whole thing is listening . The questions…. I know people were asking us , what we’re using?.. we do use everything; I love live stream, I love war craft[SP] we have a tri caster here ,but the mix call is pretty revolutionary and I don’t see any other way of doing this without remakes and for someone else has a better solution let me know, but there’s no way… I don’t know any other software that could bring on this many guests in this many video conferencing guests at one time (as vMix)
Marty McPadden – You might see some more video streaming services like this coming to market soon.
Paul Richards -I hope so……. I hope so.
Tess Protesto – Don’t use ….. that’s what the team has come up.
Marty McPadden – I can’t talk about it I have an NDA.
Tess Protesto – Thank you , so much.
Marty McPadden – I can’t let that
Tess Protesto – I think this show’s been a lot of fun for everybody in the chat because I’m sort of seeing them all reminiscing on their experiences with live streaming ,and when we’re talking with computers, they were all typing what computers they used for the first time. So, it’s mostly great conversation going on ,but there are some great questions that were from a little while ago ; Jason Bates said
What is the best way to distribute your live content …other companies out there that help with distribution of content?
distribute your live content
Luria Petrucci – Well !, I think.
Tess Protesto – I think the floors open.
Luria Petrucci – So, in terms of distribution you know ,we have the ability ….if you’re talking social platforms like Facebook and Periscope and stuff you know, you have the ability to actually multicast , simulcast out to as many platforms as you want ,as long as you have the hardware the Internet and all the capabilities to do so. So, you can just redistribute to multiple places including and embed a private embed on your own website and you know ,we talked a little bit earlier about the need for people to want to bring people back to their own house. You can use like a dot live url for that kind of distribution, where you say hey!, just join me at life from President Live and then you control that and you can distribute from there , if you want . That’s… that’s one option ,I mean there …you can pretty much do whatever you want, in terms of distribution and you can house that all with and some of the hardware stuff that we’ve. They’ve already talked about and there are services like Joy caster that allows a switch for a live now. Allow you to do that where you don’t have to house all of the bandwidth requirements for that ,but you can send one signal to them and then they send it out to all the different places through the cloud. So , some options there.
Tess Protesto – Is your preference to send people to watch your show on your website?. I watch on Facebook mostly .
Luria Petrucci – I actually prefer to send them to a social network like Facebook , because even though I want control on my website. it’s …it’s still …so you get a lot of benefit out of the social aspects because the more that you have on Facebook ,the more engagement they see , the more they send you out to the world . So, their algorithm is such that when they see that people like what you’re doing and view it then you get more reach, you get more views . So, it’s a catch twenty two ,there’s really not. It depends on what your end goal is and my end goal is to be the social person, and ready to be the social expert .So, I need to be using those platforms that I need to have more engagement on them. So, it really depends on your angle. I think.
Facebook’s new Live Streaming API
Facebook’s new Live Streaming API
Marty McPadden – I think the core mentioned earlier ,about If you’re not going to multiple destinations, you’re kind of….. if you just rely on in bed you’re kind of dead and I like hundred thousand percent agree with that and I just kind of …what you’re saying Laurie about where people are discovering you .I notice that would stuff I did where on Facebook when Facebook put up their API. It was a whole new audience ;there is a lot of people. That’s all they know… is Facebook. That’s… where they spend a lot of their social time but go.. and then, the idea of… I was the same way I really want people to come back to my own site. You know I want to control it ,but I think…. I’ve come to the realization that this is just not going to be possible and I think the benefit that you get …and again what you’re saying about social sharing outweighs the need to have always come back to your site…. still have your site because if something happens to Facebook or YouTube or in the years, all the sites . You don’t directly control . You still want them to come back ,you still want to advertise . Your …your… all… and all that, but the idea of kind of really worrying about where they go and you know, where they pick me up is great because more eyeballs and it’s good … and again …Facebook. I think ..is really …when it will be interesting what YouTube does . Because ..Facebook to me is really winning the day as far as the comment staying there persistently. I mean , we have clients that are not necessarily the best gauging on air, but they always say “well , we’re going to go back to the comments and.. we’ve missed anything,…. will go back and answer …and become.. it right because it doesn’t go away that’s… that’s a great… that’s a great feature you know.
Luria Petrucci – Absolutely.
Paul Richards – Marty McPadden, we don’t ..we just… just, you know we have a free plugin for all of our customers that downloads all YouTube comments, as well as Facebook comments and actually brings them all into a single feed which is called Chat Connect Pro and that was….
Marty McPadden – Nice!
Corey Behnke – No.. no… no.. I’m just about the distribution and you know why?, I always tell people that 99.99% of all people you know, …. production are shooting with a camera and yet they’re putting it on something right and the .001% of us are actually doing this a lot and so, there’s always like a very different thing for us that we need on the distribution side. I would prefer to locally encroach to my distribution platforms and not use a cloud service . For instance , behind me, we had some sputniks servers in all in our ..on premise right… not in the cloud and that is because an Amazon goes down my client’s going to look at me . When I’m using Teradek core or.. and they’re like hey!, why are all my streams not working ?. We did the S.B. Nation stream went to 32 Facebook pages and we used their Teradek core and I had to put the server in my back room because you can’t look at box media and say Sorry …I like ..Amazon’s Down. So, you got to be very careful and wise . You know.. we lived in a redundancy world , like my brain always thinks about the redundancy right . Last mile redundancy ..and …and redundancy can actually get in your way and that’s happening before we’re up into redundant in the sense that I’m over complicated things in my work club but on the distribution side you really need to think about …Okay where do I need to be right like…. Ideal Mix is a great software, Wire Cast is a great software where you can actually use one coder to go to multiple platforms and solve any needs primary back you know .I use ..I’ve used joint caster slash which were live before, but again I’m pretty sure a lot of these new products that are coming out . ..they’re going to be running on cloud platforms like Eighty US or Google or and every month or every two months that is going down to the hour that you are streaming.
Mobile Live Streaming
Mobile Live Streaming
Tess Protesto – If the average viewer is becoming more mobile on iPods or cell phones what’s the value of pushing 4K 10 AD.P. etc If they can access that on their cell phone.
Luria Petrucci – Because while they’re. ,,there are a lot more mobile viewers you’ve got to consider the T.V. aspect of it as well so everything social is moving to T.V. So ,Facebook came out with their Facebook app where you can access a lot of videos as well as recorded videos on your big screen T.V. and when I pull it up on my T.V. I don’t want to watch a portrait video that is black screens all over it. Like the majority of the T.V. is a black screen right and buffering and it’s low quality like.. I don’t want to watch that on the big screen. So, we are seeing a merge of where you have to pay attention to both mobile tiny screens and the big screens so that’s where quality comes into play.
Tess Protesto – I think that is good points to me . Who else want to touch on that …Let me try give everybody the opportunity.
Marty McPadden -I think Luria Petrucci‘s hit the nail right on the head. I mean again this is the trend . You know that we’re seeing you know all these companies competing for content and where can you go?.. with anything… anything you do, is always going to be quality thing. Right now, it doesn’t mean that say that I like what you said where you’re kind of building in layers. It’s not that you’re going to hit that high quality. Even what Corey Behnke‘s is doing some very high end work ..you know higher than what I do I work with wits with smaller businesses and I’m using a lot of software based products and going to Facebook and all that stuff and talking head type of stuff . So, it’s finding the right tools for the right job .So, what Corey Behnke does you have …you need that redundancy . You know me, I come from a twenty year career at E.S.P.N. so I been there.. I been.. you know and big control rooms and I know what that takes and redundancy. Oh !, you.. he said it’s like that’s all we did 90% time.. we just worked on redundancy 10% time you saw what’s on the screen but all the plans we had all the double feeds all the redundant feeds. I repeat satellite feed all that stuff you know so but but yes. I mean that’s where it’s going you know .I mean you know Apple T.V. for people on top of T.V.’s . I mean you can put you can get a nap made fairly inexpensively and put it on there and you know it will mean back and also people are watching on the phones too .So, I guess you got to hit all the screens, you know I mean and if you can …you should up the best possible quality. It will adapt to that screen but that doesn’t mean you know it’s going to show up like Laurie said when you’re watching on a on a sixty inch you know LCD backlit you know in your living room you’re sending a low quality video versus someone setting high quality four K.It’s going to be pretty apparent you know what I’m saying.
720p vs 1080p Live Streaming
Corey Behnke on 720p vs 1080p live streaming
Michael Dawson – I just like to jump in though as a devil’s advocate and just say one thing. I think the.. I think with respect to 720 P. versus 1080. I think the difference is somewhat negligible unless you’re really talking about sports and sixty P. I would much rather have another camera , another angle ,then you know I attended a stream versus 720 P stream. I think really you’re kind of at this point splitting hairs on that. But really it’s the ..it’s the value of the production that’s the… how is the lighting?, how’s the sound?, .do you have enough cameras?, are you getting good coverage ?,that’s the type of thing that I think is going to accelerate your stream into being . So, that’s more engaging and worth watching whether you’re setting 4K. and the question you ask yourself is like …do you really have the C.P.U. power to do that to send that 4K. of that 10ADP60 stream? because if you don’t ,you shouldn’t send it. Because it’s not worth your stream going down, or you are having any computer issues on the trunk going out. You know , just the quality difference isn’t worth that . So, you’re better to play it safe and to really know like ..If you are sending new Facebook or You Tube and you need to understand what their …what their cloud transcoding is doing so. That you know, how to properly match that and how to properly send that. But really to me, it’s about having that extra camera and making sure that your production is tight more so than what the barite[ SP] is you’re sending out.
Corey Behnke – Well , the reality is that … to your point Michael Dawson…. the reality is through your whole chain. Do you have true 4K, no!. You don’t have 4K unless you’re using an URSA Mini right now that’s all relaxed read none of the hiring cameras get any kind of forty out quote twenty I see I’ve only been a standard since November . You can not like that ..it’s had it for eight months .you know like most people are like okay. I want to be.. that.. that means you’re using [INAUDIBLE 00:12:21] it’s here and that’s when you’re a Black Magic Camera or whatever it is your culture right now and you’re really looking at 3G SDI. I’d really like where did it occur to you. So, people again go back to my like 99.999% actually shoot something and record it ,which they’ve been able to do for paper ever great and we’ve actually only really been able to do true 4k for about five months live five six months.
Multi-Streaming to Facebook and YouTube
Multi-Streaming to Facebook and YouTube
Tess Protesto -Something else that our audience brought up a few times and Luria Petrucci I did see you comment on this during the show. Multi – streaming to different platforms where we stand on that is that an ethics issue especially with Facebook saying that they don’t approve of you streaming to other places at the same time.
Luria Petrucci – well! So, let’s clarify that a little bit . So, Facebook what they don’t allow is ..you to go to their API plus any other API and ..API versus RTMP ,these are two connections that we are talking directly to that platform. So, through the API you can only go to Facebook or you can go to RTMP to Facebook an API So, somebody else straight… so you can you can definitely multi stream .Facebook has rules around …that you just gotta follow the rules to do it but… of our
Tess Protesto – R.T.M.P. is that what that means
Luria Petrucci – Alright right ,so you.. so each of the platforms so Facebook, Periscope YouTube all of them and youstream or live stream , anything , anybody. We’ll use an RTMP and then you’ve got API options as well and…
Luria Petrucci – There’s a whole bigger does going to discussion.
Tess Protesto – I was confused….
Luria Petrucci – Did you want to add something there Corey Behnke?.
Corey Behnke – It’s hilarious how RTMP it’s like literally what we all stand on. We going to get it transports standard like it’s well known or anything from you know but.
Luria Petrucci – I think. That at the end when he ..and I forget what what…. what the encoding was or the process what ,there was a new system and I did an interview with this guy and I totally would pen down on the name but I’ find it. But it’s basically a very low latency ,new form of communication so Facebook could adopt that versus RTMP and we could you know have a better connection low latency almost no latency which would be amazing but that’s for the future . So in terms of… That’s kind of the rules around it ,but you asked about whether we should or not?. And my answer to that is always you can multi stream as long as you have the correct bandwidth and you know, make sure that you can do it successfully. But beyond that ,if you cannot engage with the audience at each of those locations successfully then, there is no point and you will actually harm yourself by some casting. If you try and go everywhere and you can’t engage everywhere because people will take that as a kind of a slap in the face almost. So, you got to be able to be there .. comment , yeah .
Paul Richards – Well , you mention latency and with all these great minds in this room .I would love to ask about latency . From what I’ve understood seen with my own eyes, Facebook has very low latency and You Tube is like three times as much. Can we just talk about latency a little bit form what you guys have experience.
Latency in Live Streaming
Latency in Live Streaming
Corey Behnke – Yes, the latency is not about the transfer protocol .It was at live stream original five stream which is much like you stream and Twitter channels on bunker billion dollars . It’s basically ingest as are to the right but the latency starts from your ingest point. It’s from your ingest point to your edge server and so N C N L and so typically companies that have DVR speech functionality. So, we are live stream original …we are live stream original which I believe the Hip E T.V. was not much for your arm back and it.[INAUDIBLE 00:17:01] That actually was really a little bit like you literally like stream and saw almost like Face Time Like …meet maybe 300 ms and that’s 400 ms …. but there was no cache and there was an option out though once you start adding them up bit rate the DVR arch., that’s where you really see[INAUDIBLE 00:17:26].
Luria Petrucci – So, it’s on Facebook and YouTube . Is that side of things, correct.
Corey Behnke – Yes So, basically like.. what I am trying to say is that, I’m streaming to some server close to me. Typically , it’s an arc on my server .. arc on my Harddrive. I’m sending some might nearest thing problem where I’m not going to a certain that’s recording. I’m going to my X server. thirty it’s that it’s that it’s where the time comes.
Paul Richards – Interesting so I didn’t not know that. All from my perspective… all I really know is okay, I’m definitely seeing less latency on Facebook than YouTube and I’ve got to make friends here anyway . So that’s the way it would stereo Paul Richards where to go, oops . Is there are any other questions, Tess Protesto?.
Tess Protesto – There’s a lot of conversation going on that I think that really covers it for questions for us. We really wanted to share that video but we didn’t get a chance to the first ever video. We don’t really you know .
Paul Richards – We don’t have time for that . Can we cover all the questions ?.
Tess Protesto – Pretty much…. there’s a lot of conversation going on of course NDI was probably.
Paul Richards – Can we talk a little bit about NDI?, I would love if you guys who still have time but somebody talk about
Tess Protesto – oh no I mean well I don’t know
Paul Richards – this could be a good time… this could be very time.. do. I need to hear this .What’s going on ?
Is the NewTek NDI a viable solution?
Argument against NewTek NDI
Corey Behnke – NDI…NDI is a Mess . With NDI no. It’s gonna be .. the IP inside is going to be either aims or I can’t remember the other one , but the problem of the press is going to be good for something . you actually need a pretty high level processor to do that streaming . So, we’ve seen this… we try past three thousand where you know…. it’s I don’t know if I honestly.. I hate to say thanks but I feel like new tech just like through a helmet and saw anybody catch it.
Michael Dawson – I think the thinking was that people I mean they’ve got major market penetration now so while I do agree that you are correct on the on the quality side. There are so far ahead of the game out of anybody else I mean it’s I think it’s going to be a forthcoming technology.
Corey Behnke – and but ..but …but I P twenty two twenty three just came out right at the simply standard for IP just came out . So, that right , that’s when everybody follows. Oh.. it’s almost and the other want to can never remember it’s like another eighty. But there’s huge people behind that. So, yeah you got a TDB.
Paul Richards -I do have one complaint about N.D.I. currently that I think they’re going to fix but basically if you take an R.T.S.P stream with NDI that’s already got H.264 encoding on it and you make it N.D.I. It’s immediately 100 megabit per second on your bit, on your network . So. its like… takes something that’s already compressed, repackages and makes it ten one hundred times larger. And it makes no sense to me at all apparently they’re going to fix that but yeah,…
Tess Protesto – I mean there’s video links not happy
Paul Richards – Who would like to hear NDI. Is anyone here like ..like NDI. Just Marty McPadden…I’ll put my hands up for NDI.
Marty McPadden– I love NDI. From what I do it works great. I mean up to the high and stuff tell me to understand what Corey Behnke saying but for a lot of stuff I do .You have to have a beef processor and machine and I do. Understand networking but for certain ..I guess what it comes down to for me is.. I use a lot of different things right and I look at it as really at least for what I do as a tool box and I think a lot of people don’t really understand . …The say, they think that you can pick up a map and on a map ,it’s going to make you some great video producer and you know.. you’ve got to learn how to use it you know but what’s great now . What’s happening now is there are so many great interesting tools in the right combinations …can do some interesting things and I think just understanding your tools and how you can use them to best effect is really the key and I see a lot of people getting into this. Again it’s like the old Photoshop thing where people want to do a graphic and I think I’ll just buy Photoshop and I’ll be a graphics wizard and just not the case once you start you know
Paul Richards– Let me say something about it and so, I actually work closely with new tech and working on the NDIcamera, it’s not ready yet. But yeah you know everyone, I was working with just get . So, You know when it’s ready. Here’s what I’ll say about it and you guys defence versus simply twenty …twenty two and all the other systems out there I think that you’re going to see new tech innovate like we’ve… we ‘ve seen them do it for twenty years right they’re going to do it specific they’re not going to be probably the world standard but in our broadcast niche, they’re going to do some cool things. I can’t even say some of the things that they promised me going to be able to do one day but I think we’re going to see some stuff that is going to be very niche that we’re going to be like wow . I need that as a broadcaster that some of the larger you know IP standards they’re not focused just on broadcast the way new tech is so I think even though they’re trying to claim to be like the best IP standard in the world I think and I wish you know we had someone from new tech you’re a good dog I don’t even know that much about it but I think that because they’re going to be nice and they’re going to go after like they want this to be more than just broadcast they want this to be in every conference room and board room and training space they you know they wanted their tri casters to be like you know conferencing devices in a way so I think you’re going to see some cool niche stuff come out that’s going to solve a lot of problems and we’re already seeing what eighty two different. Companies that anybody announcing support
Tess Protesto -like the big deal there.
Paul Richards– So I think because it’s so nice that allows them to kind of to not focus on these like you mongers IP cloud problems and just focus on the things that people like us really care about would you would you agree with me there.
Corey Behnke -No.
Tess Protesto – There is one video link that said …
Paul Richards – No?
Corey Behnke– Sorry, if you ever track caster ….if you ever track caster , then NDIis great and. I have a multi-million dollar company that doesn’t need to track caster I have a track faster for 465 sitting in my office. I have a track caster more than any products in the history of live streaming.
They are the least innovative company in the world in broadcasting. They now now. You’re going to see if you’re going to see …I think standards blow people away since year… and the Alliance …said it got there in the summer..much like twelve. Like now that’s just me and that’s one company I can crap on and not worry about my eyes
Mike Latta -I also agree with Corey Behnke as well because Corey Behnke said a very important word compressed video. NDIcompresses the video and then sends it to wherever. So, you’ve now got a compressed video feed and guess what you’re going to do before you send it out of that… be mixed good laws or trick caster. We’re going to press it again for free because we think we should be… and let’s so compression . So, basically I’ve come from…. and Corey Behnke correct me if I’m wrong with you doing stuff .I know a lot of my stuff as much as I can keep it on compressed through the chain the better soon as I’m compressing; I’m adding artefacts, I’m adding noise, I’m adding you know… you name it to for free as I call it because NDIis for free and they’ll add that compression and stuff like that to the actual feed and then before you actually do send it out to the You Tubes ,the Face Book’s, the CD ends of the world ,you were compressing that again. So if you think about it ,good to not so good, to whatever’s going to come out. And I can’t say anything because we are officially on You Tube or I would use other terminology but there is you know in the in the broadcast world there’s certain words of they would say .but basically. You always want to keep everything a compress as much as possible all the way through the chain. At the very last minute when you know you have to compress it to either record it or to set it out live or wherever you’re sending it to you should be a projector, should it be to Stream , should it be to you know recording it to disc but as much as we possibly have.
Paul Richards – Please let me ask you say…..But don’t we need to get to an IP workflow where everything’s connected and can we is it realistic to do anything over IP without compression.
Corey Behnke –Yeah, I mean IP has compression right like Richardson made a comment saying it’s part of the press yes, but one hundred megabit NDI. It’s just like way too much processing power if you really didn’t think it through .Yeah, a lot of people are going to use it you know why, because a lot of people own the track caster like there and all these legacy companies on track caster right, that’s why it’s going to be around for a while and it’s going to be a couple ends that are going to be better for it and I get it . Yes ,it’s a terrible compression now. I’m sorry… it’s not a very good compression.
Michael Dawson -Well that may be true. I simply don’t see how that’s a deal breaker .I mean the ability to use and…. I which now.. I also you know will say it isn’t live stream studio. You know we use it in life stream studio all the time. The fact that I can bring in graphics channel so smoothly from new blue and all these other companies and I can bring in my premier portal timeline .I was never able to do this before without a Q and A Phil[SP] and more SCI [SP] channels. I mean that to me whether it’s recompressed or not is the real difference that makes a difference and that’s the thing that people notice that you can bring in all those additional fields ,all the additional layers as opposed to whether or not they’re going to see some minor artefact and that may or may not be visible to their
Paul Richards – Yeah
Michael Dawson -so to me it’s all the difference to me .
Paul Richards– I don’t think that the compression you know . I don’t even think that the HI 264 and HI 265; I don’t think the common man can tell the difference between that and then compress video you guys can you guys are broadcast professionals but regular people. I mean when you’re watching the show all right
Corey Behnke – You can when you dissolve . since when in… remember back in the days of 500 K.B.P.S So the difference between 500 K.B.P.S and 700 K.B.P.S was when I was doing it Obama’s stream when I actually did a dissolve on 700 KBPS . The dissolve did not look like actual garbage , right. It’s like and so as we got it basically like ..that’s where it helps write a macro but I think people would tell the difference. Because they’re not going to see mosquito netting in macro right so you know yeah I agree with you know I mean yeah I’m nerdy .You know I’m passionate and you know I know Richardson is going to say that new tech he’s going to keep promising that you and all the. People out there realize there’s other products to do what you’re trying to do .
Tess Protesto –I think it’s a good conversation to us[INAUDIBLE 00:28:58 I’m really trying to figure out why like you’re changing my views of what I’ve been taught and because that’s …who teaches this stuff right . Who?, it’s like new techs going to preach in the stuff .No one else in the industry who else is really going out and saying we’re going to pioneer an IP workflow and get one hundred different companies on our side …..But on our side to do it with us if no one else does….. if nobody else is doing that you know regardless of the standard . That’s why they’re going to win I think. I really do I mean look at the what I’ve seen. I’m not as bad as you guys are all MIT that… but there’s a lot to be said for the guy who goes out and works with everybody and gets everything integrated for the common man and I think one of the things we…. I think about too is this giant triangle where the N.B.C….all these people are up here and the biggest growing portion is the bottom tier of just these entry level streamers whether they’re doing mobile or they’re doing whatever and now they’re starting to jump on board Luria Petrucci, I know you know a lot about that market. And that’s the large growing market and they want things that work out of the box on a budget IP friendly which is not going to be a problem . You know is going to ..is going to just make things easier for them. And I think that somebody is going to go out and do this and I don’t think that these larger IP standards are …we are focusing on the live streaming market like New Tech is.
Luria Petrucci– Hey guys I’m so sorry to do this I have another stream. No that’s OK I don’t want to run out in the middle of the conversation but you do [INAUDIBLE 00:30:35]Have a great day.
Tess Protesto – we just got so heated in this conversation it got really interesting that we got to and
Paul Richards -I want to talk to you more Corey Behnke I mean maybe now is not the right time because I’m so obsessed with the NDIbecause I didn’t know there was anything else really.
Corey Behnke – That sort of things I mean that’s like [ INAUDIBLE 00:31:02] Yeah right right before that I mean it’s like just because it’s nothing like there’s over two hundred companies that are part of it. Right and then the other one is so you know why. I come. Home and you can’t get something that somebody used to you which they were like hey let’s come out with this before anyone else and that doesn’t mean that’s right and this is not about being first or never have.
Interesting and yes
Corey Behnke– NDIis like the My Space of IP compressor.
Paul Richards – I that I think in the long term and I probably shouldn’t say this but that’s seems like a good analogy to fit it into my brain because when you are super ..super early you know and you dive all the way in you either have to burn insurance and stay ahead of the game which I think new tech wasn’t doing . Somebody gigantic smashes you and we see that happen all the time and new tech is not the biggest company in the world they’re a big company but they’re not huge like Microsoft or like I could see Google being like bam here you go free everybody IP use this ,you know.
Michael Dawson – The problem is no matter what happens no matter what ends up happening we all win .You know, technology is just made for us so we all win . So, I love the competition. I think it’s great you know I’m sure Corey Behnke do as well I mean at the end of the day is this going to make our shows better.
Corey Behnke– Yep, and probably going to have to use that [INAUDIBLE 00:32:37]
Mike Latta – What kudos I’m definitely going to give to NDIand new tech is that they made it open source that was a very very smart move.
Paul Richards – The only thing about open source that I don’t believe it’s open source it’s open[ INAUDIBLE 00: 32:56] It’s not necessarily hope open source
Mike Latta – That’s that’s still more open than you know in Corey Behnke‘s example Sony they….. they wouldn’t they would have given you did no S.T.K. forget about it I’m going to protect our money so that.
Paul Richards -Yeah well I think N.D.I. is going to become like I think they’re showing that that is their future. Oh yeah I mean that’s no secret. Anyway I probably. Just so interesting to have all of these minds and in the sand space I mean and talking about this because Corey Behnke you threw a curveball there and I was not expecting that. Is there’s anything else we missed?, what did we miss?
Tess Protesto – That is pretty all much and you guys sparked a lot of conversation in the chat though and everybody’s going back and forth and I think that covers a few questions. So it’s been a very engaging entry
Paul Richards -you guys you guys killed it .
Tess Protesto – And, I am so happy with it thank you guys so much. For joining us really appreciate you I stated a time to
Corey Behnke – Thank you .
Marty McPadden – Thank you
Tess Protesto -with all these great
Paul Richards – We’re going to we’re going to promote this video like crazy ,so Corey Behnke I hate to say that you shot a new click . Here blasting this out of his video at all so I mean you can I guess.
Tess Protesto– The post separate from the regular show that when we’re in the post show so yeah it might not be as big as I know.
Paul Richards -I’m going to be spending my entire budget on Google Ad Words for those things so I just hope that I think we talked about a ton of great stuff and I know that thousands and thousands of people are going to watch this and learn a lot. From some really high end you know people who know what they’re talking about and some people they can call bullshit and some people talked at me . You know talk lightly I think some people danced around the topics you know and some people.
Mike Latta -You know that was a word that I wanted for Paul Richards was better.
Paul Richards – But it was it was I really appreciate it guys and I respect you all a lot for what you’ve done in the industry and I want to have I actually love to have Cory I’d love to have you on for just your own show ,where we just really dig in the stuff and we really think about how we’re going to tackle a really nice show just you and me and Tess Protesto one day. You know we’ve already had you on Mike Latta just a couple weeks ago Michael Dawson and Mike Latta same… same thing invitations always open I’d love to have you guys on again.
Tess Protesto -Yeah you guys are all great.
Corey Behnke –Thanks guys.
Paul Richards – Take care.
Marty McPadden – Thank you.
Michael Dawson –Enjoy your weekend.
